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wait until you find out what month is before november lol

I wouldn't be so pessimistic.

There are a few copies of late shell builds floating around in private collections that have release predicated on the end of someone's legal liability (shall we euphemistically say). I don't know about complete system images, though.

And those guys are all getting up there in years.


Oh really? I had assumed it lost long long ago. Since it never got past internal demo (and use in PPC in some ways) I just didn’t think there would be enough copies of it to not get lost very quickly.

> Since it never got past internal demo (and use in PPC in some ways)…

For anyone who might not know, parts of it did forcefully and successfully escape containment. Core Mac Toolbox APIs originally created for Star Trek (like the portable C implementation of QuickDraw 2D) were installed on hundreds of millions of PCs as QTML, which QuickTime for Windows was built on, which was in turn a requirement for iTunes for Windows. QTML on Rhapsody was also the PoC for Carbon for Mac OS X, with ClarisWorks as the guinea pig.

https://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/access/text/20... (see page 28)


Right. I know they used the BIOS rewrite and way of keeping it in memory to base the PPC code on to get a jumpstart because it was already done and useful.

But it was never released as an x86 version, not even to developers. And by the time OS X went to Intel they were on a totally different codebase so I expect little if any code survived that.


> Since it never got past internal demo

it was a joint venture with novell and caldera employees had exposure to the resources, a year or so after the project fell apart.

> just didn’t think there would be enough copies of it to not get lost very quickly

a lot more people had exposure to it than you'd think. it sounds very interesting to us, but honestly, it was probably pretty obvious to everyone involved that it was a bad idea unless apple was serious about dropping ppc


It wasn’t about dropping PPC. It was a project that was killed because they moved to PPC instead of Intel.

It would be sort of interesting, but would it be a lot different from the CHRP version?

Edit: Yes, and I was never aware of Novell's part in all of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_project#Architecture


there was a common "shock site" called "last measure" that did this. it loaded all sorts of offensive images, blasted a loop of a guy yelling something offensive about pornography, and then proceded to lock up your machine.

Oh man I had forgotten about last measure. I remember multiple times scrambling for the power button.

And also the more innocent “You Are An Idiot, hahaha hahaha” page that would sing those words and spam pop up windows with white and black text blinking, that would float around the screen. Every time you click close on one window, two new ones pop up.

With that one, Ctrl+Alt+Delete, Task Manager, kill iexplore.exe was usually all you needed to do thankfully. No hard power off necessary.


I was just talking about that one with someone a few days ago! Amazing hahah XD I still remember the song and was singing it while laughing profusely at how obnoxious that site was!

> Waymo says it has 170 million miles and I found 2 fatal accidents it was involved in (fault doesn't matter as fault is not included in the other stat either)

fault absolutely matters. and with two fatal accidents, it should be trivial to find out if waymo is at fault.

it is bad faith, otherwise.


You could have looked up the collisions instead of making vague accusations of bad faith. In one, a Tesla going 98MPH collided with a line of vehicles (including a Waymo) stopped at a light. In the other, a motorcyclist hit a Waymo from behind and fell off their bike, where they were struck and killed by another vehicle (that fled).

I am not the one saying "fault doesn't matter as fault is not included in the other stat either".

And yes, I'm aware of the fault of the incidents.


Fault matters in general, but it's not captured in the stats so you can't make an accurate comparison.

No, but we can know that there are zero at fault for Waymo. That's important context.

It feels like a made for TV ad for accessibility.

I stopped going. Between the spam and the racist unmoderated AI slop cannon that is discovery there, what's the point

I never went (just don't like it), but for a long time it was a primary source for a lot of important things so one kinda gets exposed to it anyway indirectly and / or through embeds. But that's the filtered version, anyway.

I don’t even open twitter/x links anymore because the page is so unusable.

I made the experiment some times ago: it's faster to edit the link, replace x.com with nitter.net and load the content from there, than wait until the original page load. The time difference isn't meaningful (it's less than a second), but the fact that a website loses against a manual redirection to another front end is still a spectacular proof of incompetence.

I found a Firefox plugin which does an automatic redirect to XCancel.

I wonder if it is by design. On Nitter, which is fast-loading and streamlined, it is trivial to ctrl-click on a bunch of commenter accounts and readily see they are bots (photo from This Person Does Not Exist, unrealistically single-issue posting, etc.). On X where things move slow as treacle, it is harder for the average person to figure that out.

Same here. There is always the "log in" nagging pop-up. But I will never log in again to the right-arm-gesture guy, so this is just time wasted for me.

We could need some decentralized way to share "tweets" though. Not linked to greedy billionaires.


fb and insta have the same annoying login screens too. seems like most of the web does these days.

If you want to share tweets from X, there is exactly that: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49437283

Recently found textlog.cc here on HN. At times it felt (the content especially) like the early days of twitter.

> Non-example 2: There are worries about AI-facilitated biological weapons. I haven’t seen any evidence that’s happening.

https://www.science.org/content/article/made-order-bioweapon...

Being able to use AI to generate the steps to synthesize proteins means that you can use it to use it to generate the steps to synthesize known toxins. Suddenly, once difficult to attain knowledge is now available to everyone.


Still need to do it after getting those instructions. Not to forget equipment and precursors. I think just getting list of steps won't make it too much easier. Getting it mostly right is quite hard in many cases. And then with trivial cases you wouldn't even need AI. But just find something already documented.

Concur entirely. After reading _The Making of the Atomic Bomb_ (highly recommended, BTW) you know the steps to make a U-235 enriched atomic bomb. The difficulty comes from obtaining the enriched uranium.

Levelling the playing field either backfires spectacularly or increases overall safety dramatically.

people in the industry, especially those who work for oai, refer to it as "chat"

at least in the ai industry, chat is like kleenex


I've heard it as shorthand, in-context. Never heard it being chat-as-in-kleenex. I've supposedly been in the industry since before ChatGPT. Maybe that's where I went wrong :D

Guess I'm not in the industry enough lmao

depends on the jurisdiction

in the us, entirely legal. you may get law enforcement knocking on your door with questions, from time to time.

best to do it as part of a non profit or other organization, and being open about running a node, so that law enforcement/etc knows what they're dealing with


> you may get law enforcement knocking on your door with questions

If you host an exit node on your home internet connection, the daily thing you will struggle with is not law enforcement, but rather the fact that your public IP will be blocked by most big websites to the point that simply browsing the web will become a pain.


Then whoever did this experiment will likely shut down the node and reset their router to pull a new IP, which could be reassigned in short order, thereby causing trouble for an innocent neighbor.


Use a VPN on your router to avoid this issue.


> best to do it as part of a non profit or other organization

I've always thought that universities would be a great safe haven for exit nodes, probably managed by a student club but using campus's infra (with their fully informed permission and support, of course).

I think this would make them less likely to be shut down by the police because a university would lend them more credibility as a civic-driven research project rather than some random person running "shady" stuff, as most people unfortunately assume.

Here in Mexico there's very few Tor nodes running at all, but some of the longest running (non exit, TIL) nodes are run by UNAM [1], which is the biggest university.

That being said, I studied in a different university and I didn't have the confidence or knowledge to propose anything similar, so I've no idea of how effective would such a project be or how hard would it be to run.

[1] https://metrics.torproject.org/rs.html#search/country:mx


They are. In general, having a big and respected institution to hide behind does wonders for avoiding suspicion. It would have to be formally approved by whoever is responsible for these things at the university - you couldn't just plug it into a random port (well you could but you might get Aaron Swartzed).


Personally, I just think that LLMs are an artificial line to draw based on current personal preference.

I'm not an AI maximalist, but I really can't see the issue with using it to preserve this hardware (especially into RTL for FPGA), if it's highly accurate.

These machines are dying in real time, and having cycle and operationally accurate emulation options is more important than the bad taste the Glorified Copymachine leaves in my mouth, to be honest.

Honestly, by quantity alone, I've seen more impressive and quality reverse-engineering and documentation work of these platforms done in the last year than i have in the last 20.


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